| Interview with Brian Haw - part 1 |
[Mar. 18th, 2007|06:16 pm] |
18/3/2007
Comrades,
Last weekend I went to see the last protest allowed outside Parliament, and to interview the last protester - Brian Haw. As mentioned in previous articles, he is allowed there only because the new law banning protest was not made retroactive. Since on-going protests prior to the law were not covered, Brian Haw's protest can remain - as long as it remains continuous.
It has ran continuously for 2115 days so far.
 Photo by Marc Vallee, 23/11/06

Brian Haw on his 2000'th consecutive day and night in Parliament Square.
This first part of the interview covers the religious angle, which Brian feels has been blasphemously hijacked to justify war.
Having been given the mobile telephone number for Mr Haw, he agreed to do an interview for P&M. Your intrepid reporter tracked down Downing Street (where the British PM Blair resides), but found no sign of Brian Haw or his protest.
Picture: Glenn Barder, P&M

A police officer - heavily armed - cheerfully told me that I'd find him about 1/2 mile away, as his protest had moved to outside Parliament itself, and helpfully provided directions.
Brian Haw was pacing about on the lawn outside and across the road from Parliament, talking on his mobile. Various helpers of his enable him to maintain this continuous vigil, so I spoke with them for a while until Brian became available.
Picture: Glenn Barder, P&M
 Some helpers were seasoned protest veterans of many nationalities, including former human shields.
Brian can only leave to attend numerous court cases - leaving for any other reason will end this last protest permanently.
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Finishing his telephone conversation about an hour later, Brian was in no mood for a interview. It hadn't been an uplifting conversation, apparently. Doubtless tired of thousands of people wanting to have a chat, make fun of him, and just having to go over the same issues he's discussed countless times, he does not always welcome idle conversations.
Picture by Mark Wallinger
 Before most of the protest banners were dismantled for "security reasons", the display was much more extensive.
Picture by Mark Wallinger
 Exhibits from the original protest can currently be seen in Tate Britain where an exhibition is currently taking place.

The exhibition in the gallery itself is very powerful, impossible to witness without being emotionally moved. Please take the time to see some of the display items by using this link.
Back for the interview
Picture: Glenn Barder, P&M

I began by acknowledging he has probably been through the issues thousands of times, and he said he's sick and tired of it. Brian wanted to know if I had all the background. His friends had vouched for me, that I was aware of the issues, and was not there to waste time.
Brian asked what I wanted to know.
Explaining this was for a US based site, I asked for his personal experience - what had made him take up this endeavour, given Americans often identify with individual stories rather than simple facts and figures about others.
Was it the sanctions that started this campaign?
Brian Haw: What does "sanctions" mean for goodness sake? USA? UK? God almighty. God forgive us. The United States of Assassins. Have you checked it out? Genocidal Britain. Check out what we've done around the nations during the course of history. Check out what the United States of Assassins has done. It's horrifying.
Sanctions? It's called Genocide. That's what we do. Bomb, burn, bury your neighbour. Who do we think we are?
Check out DU. Check out Depleted Uranium munitions. Our war material, made from our nuclear waste. Check what we do.
GB (P&M): We've finally found a way of disposing of it, haven't we?
Brian Haw: Isn't that neat. Isn't that sweet. God forgive... how can God forgive us? Have you seen what we've done to the babies? And we like to say what an evil bastard Hitler was. Oh, by the way - you know Bush's grandaddy? He was a great pal of Hitler.
GB (P&M): Prescott Bush
Brian Haw: I just knew he was Bush's grandaddy. Prescott Bush, yeah, provided a lot of money for the war. You have to finance a war, don't you. And what's a war about? Bloody money. Making money, stealing money, looting, pillage. Nothing changes throughout history.
We dress it up in fancy language these days, trying to make out we're spreading freedom and democracy in the world.
Do you know Holman Hunt's famous portrait, and there's Christ knocking on the door, with the house overgrown with weeds, and Christ with the lamp is politely knocking.
Holman Hunt: "The light of the world"
And if you check out Rev 3:11, it says "And behold, I stand at the door and knock. And if any person opens the door, I will come in and sup with you, and you with me." Polite, isn't it?
And -- by the way - Christ will bring supper with him, he didn't come to scrounge, he's not going to steal - he came to give.
We're told to give in Christ's name, go into all the world, we were told. Give the love of ... [shakes head in disbelief] ... God Almighty.
Instead of which, we march around the world, with a Bible in one hand and a sword in the other. Crusaders. Nothing changes, does it? Who do we think we are?
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Idu - the Greek word meaning "behold" - I stand at the door and knock. Look, listen, have you noticed? I'm knocking at the gates of Parliament, just opposite us there. We're in Westminster, they call this Westminster Palace, the British Parliament. And here am I, opposite the Palace gates, knocking at the gates of Parliament. Look, listen, have you noticed?
I came here on the second of June 2001. I was sent here by Mum and Dad - Mrs and Mr God, who love and care. That's why I was sent here, because they care.
John 3:16 - For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, what whosoever believes in him should not perish, but should have everlasting life.
Check out Jeremiah, chapter 9. Check it out.
Photo by Moramay Herrera Kuri

GB (P&M): "Thou shalt not kill" in the Ten Commandments - not ambiguous, is it?
Brian Haw: "Thou shalt not kill", as you said. But check out Jeremiah, Chapter 9.
"He/She that will glory, glory in this, then he/she knows me. And I am the Lord and Lady who exercises love and kindness, justice and righteousness to the ends of the Earth. For in these things I delight, says the Lord God Almighty."
How about that? Love and kindness, top of the agenda. Do you think we've got a poor translation in the Old Testament? A wrong idea about it? And God is this angry old white man, with a big white beard, sat up on the clouds somewhere with a bloody big stick in his hand, looking down at the naughty children below, looking for an excuse to beat us?
Hey - that ain't the God I know, who loved and made us. Your iris, your fingerprints, your genes - you are unique, one-off. And the same goes for every one of the billions of us on this planet.
Have you ever held a baby? Isn't it a glorious thing.
And Bush and Blair bomb the babies. It's a wicked, evil business, you know. I call them - and I call them right here with a megaphone, or bull-horn / loudspeaker - "Bush/Blair Christian? Blasphemers, murderers, liars, repent! Hear the word of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."
It's been said in the past, "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth." But I say to you now, "Love your enemies."
Check out the parable of the good Samaritan - when the disciples asked "Who is my neighbour?" He gave them the parable of the Good Samaritan. The Jews and Samaritans were bitter, bitter enemies. And this is the parable. Your neighbour is your most bitter enemy, who is dying. That's the one you're supposed to save. Who's left out? Your enemy and your neighbour are one and the same.
That's the only thing that's going to change anything.
Picture: Glenn Barder, P&M
We pause as Big Ben sounds the hour at deafening volume. This picture is taken from the protest site - directly opposite Parliament itself.
With the clock and the traffic, conversation - let alone sleep - is not possible at times.
Brian Haw: A little Jewish girl came to speak to me. She's a nurse, going up to Scotland to get a year's extra training in trauma therapy. For the battlefield, the places where there is war. The terror of being bombed - what it does to the children, to be living in a war zone, the fear and the terror. And this little Jewish girl is going to get extra training to care for people in that terrible situation.
Then she's going to go back to this place called Palestine, and care for the people and children in Palestine.
Is this going to change things? What do you think? Is this the only thing that can change things? For God's sake, what did these people ever do to us. When are we going to check it out?
Some bloody fools talk about the Jewish people killing Jesus, what a nonsense! Do you know what the message is about Christianity? I killed Jesus - He died for my sins! Yes, the Romans put him on the cross, at the behest of the Jewish leaders of the time, but the message is Jesus died for me. And if there were no other sinner, he would still have died for me. That's the message.
Photo by Moramay Herrera Kuri - After the display was wrecked by police, May/2004
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Well, this is turning into a bit of a sermon, isn't it! So I hope this goes down well in the US of A, because I understand their leaders are fundamentalist Christians over there. And I also understand that they are full of crap. Because they also think it's OK to have black people as slaves, and treat them as less than a white person.
Of course, we've all moved on from there, but we haven't really have we? Does the black person get a fair shake in this place called America?
What about these people called the "Injuns"? The "red Indians" they called them. What about the real Americans. Most of them are dead, aren't they? That was a successful genocide.
We've kind of wandered about a bit, hope you're keeping track of all this!
Let's go back to the Good Book and check it out. Christ says, "Love your enemies", he didn't say say bomb and burn all the babies, and bugger their mums, dads, brothers and sisters!
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This interview will be continued in the next update - which should be posted within 10 days.
Brian Haw, 2001 - parliament-square.org.uk

Thank you for your time.
- Glenn Barder. glenn_barder@yahoo.co.uk |
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